Space Oddities interview w/ David Heinke (Arckid Session Drummer)
Can you detail your involvement in the music industry and association with Bryce Goggin prior to your time in the studio with Arckid?
I’ve been playing drums since I can remember, but my professional career began when I was 15 and played on an album by a band called Beggars (Island). It’s a solid debut album, but was deleted immediately by the record company. The only people who look for it now are fans of BRMC; Robert Been played bass on the record with me. That gig got me lots of other singer-songwriter-type demo gigs in the SF Bay area. I mean, they were demos, but it was still great to fly out from time to time. I grew up in Rockford, IL, and was in high school, so to fly anywhere to play drums was really cool.
Around 2000, I was in a proper band called Fuse, which got a small publishing deal from Warner-Chappell. We decided to use that money to fund an album, and Bryce was immediately on our short list based on the first two Spacehog albums. We met with him, we got on great, and we recorded the album in May of 2001. We tracked in CA and mixed in NJ. Sadly, like many great bands with great debut albums, we did not get signed and eventually broke up. But Bryce and I would email each other every couple of months–we definitely stayed in touch. So one day, out of the blue at the beginning of ‘06, Bryce called me and told me to call Roy right away.
And you did, I presume. What were the details of the phone conversation?
Well, Bryce had pitched using me, so my call to Roy was semi-expected, and it was mostly a regular meet-and-greet conversation. Most of my pre-session communication was with Roy, though there were a few flurries of IM-ing with Ant.
Royston did say that he and Ant were going to try recording together again, along with Christian. So, sort of new, but sort of familiar. We started talking about 2 months before the session. A few things of note–the week I officially got the gig, The Tender Trio officially broke up. Second, Royston didn’t actually hear any of my drumming until after I got the gig. Bryce must have been a heck of a salesman! But my hunch is that the idea of me–a west coast American drummer who plays a little bit on the Ringo side of things–kept it from feeling like Spacehog Jr.
Flash forward to the sessions… What was the atmosphere like? Were you guys feeling out the songs, or were you intending to cut the definitive Arckid tracks?
Demos like this are sort of interesting, in that, clearly, we were fleshing out songs, BUT, we were definitely set up to make master takes. The three of them hadn’t really practiced the songs–in some cases they hadn’t finished the songs–and I got the demos for nine songs the day before I flew out. BUT, we’re also dealing with the Langdon brothers here, at a great studio (Trout, Brooklyn), with Bryce manning the console. I think that they were mostly testing out the interaction between the three of them in the studio. The atmosphere was generally positive. It’s always interesting to watch brothers interact in musical settings.
I think the demos accomplished two things–1. it showed what the three of them would sound like, because I don’t think they knew, and they did it 2. without sounding like Spacehog Jr. There’s a certain aesthetic to those demos that has more of T-Rex or Spiders from Mars vibe than anything else. Maybe it’s the dry drum and guitar sounds (not a lot of reverb), or maybe because I was erring on the side of simplification, or maybe it was that we were feeling each other out on tape, but the demos (like many demos) have a certain charm to them. I love the recording they did Jonny, but by that time they were adding in the reverbs and delays, and, more importantly, the brother dynamic had changed. The more they recorded, the more it seemed like Christian’s band. Though very very few people will ever hear the songs we recorded, I feel like you can hear the original idea of Arckid in those demos.
It was always unclear just how many songs we were going to try. They sent me 9 the day before I flew out, and we ended up tracking 12. 3 days of tracking is long, but not THAT long. So we were pretty efficient with our time. I’m not saying all 12 songs we did were magic, but I think they ended up finishing 7 of those, which is pretty good for a band that is both learning the songs while simultaneously feeling each other out.
Arckid initially posted four songs to their website (Narrow Streets, Heart’s Not In It, Remains and White Knuckle Ride) and then posted ‘Conversation’ to their MySpace page. That leaves two songs unreleased and 5 songs unfinished. Can you comment on any of the unreleased/unfinished songs?
The other two that were finished were called “Girls Like You (Like Me)” and “Only Dreaming.” The former is primarily, if not totally, a Christian-penned song, and it rocks. I think he posted a more slow-jam, dance club version on his myspace page or something–this was way uptempo from that. This was from Day 2, and the first song that I tracked with Christian. It gave our group morale a decidedly more happy-go-lucky kick, and we ended up tracking 5 songs that day. Only Dreaming is a Royston song. It’s a fantastic song–truly–and Roy saved it for last. That was a magic moment in the studio. My drums were set up in the vocal booth, and Roy was right outside the door, playing piano and singing brilliantly. Not many people have heard it, but it’s a great recording of a great song, and the brunt of it is from the 1st rehearsal take–I had never heard the song before we were recording! I hope it makes an appearance on the new Spacehog record.
As for the others, there was a song called “Guilty” which eventually was given to Unisex Salon, but the name had changed to “Baby I’m Yours.” We did a version of Germany–it was maybe a little slower than the version they did later. I don’t think we got “the magic take,” so I’m glad they did a proper version with Jonny. There was an Ant song called Strange Lands, which they did some work on, but it didn’t make it to the vocal overdub stage. It was a straight-ahead rocker, like Germany, but it was more uptempo. The last two were both mostly Christian songs–My World and Living in Sin. What I remember about My World was that it was only mostly done, and that, after doing like 7 takes, they decided to make it just slightly faster, like 3 beats per minute. It’s very difficult to get something to swing just slightly faster immediately after a slower take, and we stopped working on it, although technically there was a complete take in the can. Living in Sin was basically there, arrangement-wise. They ultimately chose not to work on it, but I’ve got a pretty interesting basic track rough mix.
How would you describe the three-Langdon dynamic? Being that all three are talented songwriters and multi-instrumentalists, how were the sessions structured? Did they come into the studio with defined roles, or did they switch it up from song to song?
Now, this is coming on 4 years ago, but I remember them mostly just acting like brothers. They really wanted to see if the 3 of them could work. Roy and Ant had obviously recorded a LOT together, and that showed, and Roy and Christian fleshed out most of Christians songs together. But all 3? That was the real question–more of an unknown than the unknown drummer, I would think. But there was a lot of beaming with pride that week. You know, regular brother stuff.
The standard configuration, in terms of instrumentation, was Roy on bass, Ant playing rhythm gtr, and Christian on lead. There were only two variations; White Knuckle Ride, where Christian played acoustic, Roy played the synth (and clapped!), and Ant sang. That one is pretty much live. I can hear one vocal punch-in, and there’s electric gtr (and 4 cymbal hits) during the bridge. VERY minimal overdubs on that one. That was a nice “three-Langdon” moment, just watching them lay down the basics for that one. The other variation was Only Dreaming, where Roy played piano and Christian played bass.
Have you been involved in any music projects since the Arckid adventure? Have you stayed in touch with the Langdons?
I spoke with Ant a little bit right after he left Arckid, but that’s been about it. While I feel like I had an experience that verged on being unique (is there anyone besides Jonny who’s played with more that 1 Langdon brother?), I’ve only worked with them for 4 days in my life! That said, I’d love for theHog to stop by the SF area–it would be nice to say hello. We shared a brief, lovely experience, and it’s always nice to catch up.
As for what I’ve been up to, there was a singer-songwriter out of Chicago named Jeremy Kunz (a member of Beggars) who I reconnected with–my brother and I made an album by ourselves, but it took forever, and I think all parties felt the moment had passed. With the advent of nicer and nicer home studios, it’s difficult to call things finished, and I think that happened in that scenario. Actually, I think that sort of happened to Arckid. They kept recording and didn’t end up putting anything out, not even on iTunes. It costs 30 bucks! But overdub hell is an easy place to get stuck.
Right now I’m working on a fresh batch of songs with my brother, Erik, who was also in Fuse with me. I am VERY understanding of brother-band issues. It’s unclear exactly when we’re walking in the studio, but it should be in the first half of ‘10, and we may include our third sibling, Jill, who is the bass player in Birds and Batteries. Either way, the idea is to NOT get caught in overdub hell, to get things as live as possible. I’m looking forward to it–my drumming is as good as it’s been, so I’m fired up.
Well, it’s been a pleasure, David. Thank you for talking with us. Keep in touch, and best of luck with your upcoming projects. Happy Holidays!

Great interview! Thank you, Cap’n, for putting that together. Excellent questions and a big thank you to David Heinke for all those detailed answers. It was fun to get a bit of an inside scoop of how it all comes about.
Best of luck to David on his project. I hope he’ll let us know how it goes.
All thanks belong to David. He was kind enough to be my first interview victim!